#RealRevision Chat Archive

August 15, 2012 – Tonight’s #RealRevision chat was inspired by the #TeachersWrite Virtual Summer Writing Camp but grew to include many more writers, teachers, and author/illustrators. Thanks to all who took the time to share revision ideas with us tonight – and if you’re still looking for more strategies, please check out my book REAL REVISION: AUTHORS’ STRATEGIES TO SHARE WITH STUDENT WRITERS, which includes interviews with more than forty authors about their favorite revision strategies, tips, and tricks!

~Kate

@KateMessner: Wednesday 8/15 is #TeachersWrite Revision Chat Day on my blog – and we’ll also have a Twitter chat on revision from 9-10 EST. #RealRevision
@KateMessner: #TeachersWrite Revision Chat is up on my blog: http://t.co/NWWYA2qM Our #RealRevisionTwitter-Chat is 8/15 from 9-10pm EST!
@crissachappell: RT @KateMessner: #TeachersWrite Revision Chat is up on my blog: http://t.co/NWWYA2qM Our #RealRevisionTwitter-Chat is 8/15 from 9-10pm EST!
@WaldenPondPress: RT @KateMessner: #TeachersWrite Revision Chat is up on my blog: http://t.co/NWWYA2qM Our #RealRevisionTwitter-Chat is 8/15 from 9-10pm EST!
@PetaAndersen: RT @KateMessner: #TeachersWrite Revision Chat is up on my blog: http://t.co/NWWYA2qM Our #RealRevisionTwitter-Chat is 8/15 from 9-10pm EST!
@KateMessner: Author friends: What are your favorite revision tips & tricks? Join #TeachersWrite for a #RealRevisionTwitter-chat from 9-10 EST tonight!
@WriteForward: RT @KateMessner: Author friends: What are your favorite revision tips & tricks? Join #TeachersWrite for a #RealRevisionTwitter-chat from 9-10 EST tonight!
@gaepol: #teacherswrite & anyone! Don’t forget to join in on #RealRevision chat tonight 9 -10 EST. Hosted by the adorable & ubertalented @KateMessner
@KrisBisBooks: RT @gaepol: #teacherswrite & anyone! Don’t forget to join in on #RealRevision chat tonight 9 -10 EST. Hosted by the adorable & ubertalented @KateMessner
@KrisBisBooks: @mardieteach Are you ready for #RealRevisionchat at 9pm EST?
@KateMessner: @mentortexts @gaepol @brianwyzlic @katsok @AStarowicz Well, we’ve got #RealRevisionchat in five minutes – I’ve missed everybody, too!
@KateMessner: Tonight at 9 EST – #RealRevisionchat for #TeachersWrite & anyone who wants to talk about revision strategies for writers!
@colbysharp: RT @KateMessner: Tonight at 9 EST – #RealRevisionchat for #TeachersWrite & anyone who wants to talk about revision strategies for writers!
@olugbemisola: RT @KateMessner: Tonight at 9 EST – #RealRevisionchat for #TeachersWrite & anyone who wants to talk about revision strategies for writers!
@KrisBisBooks: RT @KateMessner: 9 EST #RealRevision chat for #TeachersWrite & anyone who wants to talk about revision strategies for writers! #RealRevision
@KateMessner: Time for #RealRevision chat, inspired by our #TeachersWrite group & open to everyone.What do you wish you knew about revision? #RealRevision
@rj_anderson: RT @KateMessner: Tonight at 9 EST – #RealRevisionchat for #TeachersWrite & anyone who wants to talk about revision strategies for writers!
@KateMessner: Author friends…Do you love revision or despise it? What are your favorite strategies, tips, & tricks? #RealRevision
@KrisBisBooks: Empowering kids to see what their writing can be… That is the biggest hurdle that I foresee for my students. #RealRevision
@LynneKelly: RT @KateMessner Time for #RealRevisionchat, inspired by our #TeachersWrite group & open to everyone.What do you wish you knew abt revision?
@KateMessner: I find it’s helpful to divide revision jobs categories – “big picture” issues (timelines, arcs, themes) & sentence level work. #RealRevision
@KateMessner: @KrisBisBooks Starting kids off w/super-fast 1st draft sets up for revision. Showing changes in YOUR drafts is powerful, too. #RealRevision
@LynneKelly: @KateMessner I like revising, ’cause the story’s written! Helps me to put indiv revision tasks on notecards–easier to tackle. #realrevision
@ixtumea: RT @LynneKelly: RT @KateMessner Time for #RealRevisionchat, inspired by our #TeachersWrite group & open to everyone.What do you wish you knew abt revision?
@colbysharp: #realrevisionteaching revision stresses me out. Excited to follow the chat.
@Jodi_Carmichael: Starting a #RealRevisionon my YA & afraid I’m losing the uniqueness of the original MS, while sticking with editor’s suggestions.
@KateMessner: @LynneKelly Love the notecard idea – My revision to-do list is usually a long one – on really big paper! #RealRevision
@debralynnlazar: @KateMessner For the most part, I like it. Reading out loud is my biggest tip, especially on final revisions. #RealRevision
@giamateau: I love revising, especially in winter! #realrevisionPrint a copy, build a fire, sit in the cozy chair. Observe where boredom sets in.
@ixtumea: RT @KateMessner: Author friends…Do you love revision or despise it? What are your favorite strategies, tips, & tricks? #RealRevision
@marcieaf: @KateMessner do you have suggestions for untangling yourself from plot threads? I think I’ve revised myself into a mess. #realrevision
@KateMessner: @Jodi_Carmichael Editor’s suggestions may tell you that part of story needs work – you can find ways to address in your voice. #RealRevision
@rj_anderson: Compared to the 1st draft, I love revision. Though at times I worry that I’m only making the book different, not better. #realrevision
@iChrisLehman: RT @KrisBisBooks: RT @KateMessner: 9 EST #RealRevision chat for #TeachersWrite & anyone who wants to talk about revision strategies for writers! #RealRevision
@mimicross: #RealRevisionis a chance to get it right, with a safety net underneath this time, i.e., your first draft—or your 10th!
@KateMessner: RT @debralynnlazar: For the most part, I like it. Reading out loud is my biggest tip, especially on final revisions. #RealRevision
@MojoFingers: #RealRevisionI have trouble getting my sixth graders out of the editing for conventions mindset and into actual revision. Any ideas?
@KateMessner: @marcieaf I make big timelines w/ different levels for each plot thread. Makes it easier to untangle. #RealRevision
@mimicross: @KateMessner @debralynnlazar Did you ever try reading out loud with music on? Mistakes/awkward bits jump out even more! #RealRevision
@KrisBisBooks: @colbysharp It stresses kids out, too- so important to break down the process into big chunks- rock tumbling pg. 11 #RealRevision
@gaepol: RT @colbysharp: #realrevisionteaching revision stresses me out. Excited to follow the chat.
@AStarowicz: #RealRevisionI don’t want to sound like a teacher’s pet-but I LOVE this book-it is so easy to access the activities into classroom writing
@KateMessner: @MojoFingers Teaching real revision (vs. editing) explicitly early in year helps with this. So does defining revision tasks. #RealRevision
@mimicross: @KateMessner What a great idea for a chat, thank you! #RealRevision
@KateMessner: @KrisBisBooks @colbysharp If you let kids know BEFORE 1st draft what their revision jobs will be later, they’re more prepared. #RealRevision
@KateMessner: @AStarowicz Thanks! *slips Andy five bucks for praising book* #RealRevision
@JoanneLevy: @LynneKelly I like your notecard idea, too! #realrevision
@colbysharp: @KateMessner @KrisBisBooks #realrevisionI like that. Thank you, Kate.
@JoanneLevy: @KateMessner Revision categories – I do this too. Start with big stuff and then get smaller until it’s line edit stuff. #RealRevision
@KrisBisBooks: RT @KateMessner: @MojoFingers Tchng real revision vs editing early in year helps with this. So does defining revision tasks. #RealRevision
@LynneKelly: @JoanneLevy Helps so much to break down 6-page editor letters! #notecards #realrevision
@debralynnlazar: @mimicross @KateMessner I’m a singer/songwriter, so I can’t write or revise while listening to music. I get lost in the music. #RealRevision
@marcieaf: @KateMessner @mojofingers I only get my students to focus on one thing at a time for each revision. #RealRevision
@gaepol: @KateMessner @MojoFingers grr. forgot the #RealRevisionhashtag on my question. >:(
@thereadingzone: Popping in to tell @katemessner that I shared your Real Revision gallery with my book campers today and they were in awe! #RealRevision
@KateMessner: @JoanneLevy Not revision-related…but I saw your book at Barnes & Noble in Vermont this afternoon. I waved to it. #RealRevision
@KateMessner: I find this really effective, too. RT @marcieaf: I only get my students to focus on one thing at a time for each revision. #RealRevision
@KateMessner: @thereadingzone Oh, yay! I hope it made them more excited to revise, too! #RealRevision
@Nightlin: @KateMessner I love revision, but it can be a daunting task. I get temporarily stressed over losing an idea due to superfluity.#RealRevision
@JoanneLevy: @LynneKelly 6 pages? *gulp* #notecards #realrevision
@mimicross: @debralynnlazar Ha! Me too! #singersongwriter #RealRevisionDo vomit draft to music, & the read aloud thing MUCH later 🙂
@SaundraMitchell: .@KateMessner I like to go in passes. Fix all the little things. Fix the medium things. Fix the MONSTER things. #realrevision
@ixtumea: I’m starting to like revisions. Shock, huh? #realrevision
@KrisBisBooks: I really like color-coding (pg. 74) for big picture revision. #RealRevision
@Jess_Keating: @KateMessner @LynneKelly Me too! The bigger the paper, the better! Love revisions so much more than drafting. #realrevision
@SaundraMitchell: .@KateMessner That way,I feel like I’m accomplishing something from the very first day. #RealRevision
@KateMessner: Editing=fixing mistakes re: spelling, punctuation, etc. Revision= re-imagining (characters, plot, pacing, word choice…) #RealRevision
@JoanneLevy: @KateMessner by the way, to your earlier question, I’m not a fan of revising – I find the real joy of writing in drafting. #RealRevision
@ixtumea: I use sticky notes and map out my story. Been moving those sticky pads around more. #realrevision
@gaepol: @SaundraMitchell @KateMessner hah, I do the opposite order! Monster things first… #RealRevision
@KateMessner: @SaundraMitchell So do you fix little issues first? I do the opposite – don’t worry about details until the skeleton is solid. #RealRevision
@LynneKelly: @SaundraMitchell Yes, if I’m putting off the revision, it helps me to pick one small thing to work on. #realrevision
@marcieaf: @ixtumea I like revising MUCH more than first drafting 🙂 #RealRevision
@ixtumea: @SaundraMitchell I wish I did though I’m finding it’s okay not to beat yourself up if it’s not perfect after a few rounds. #RealRevision
@KateMessner: @KrisBisBooks I love color-coding for my own work as well as teaching. I need to buy stock in an office supply store. #RealRevision
@MelanieMeehan1: @katemessner do you revise as you go or write the whole first draft and then revise? #realrevision
@Jodi_Carmichael: @KateMessner Maybe what I need to do is more of a real overhaul, than a #RealRevision. lol
@SaundraMitchell: If I look at the big big picture first, I freak out. OMG IT IS TOO MUCH I CANNOT DOOOOO IT. @KateMessner #RealRevision
@Jess_Keating: @KateMessner I love switching fonts to help refresh my eyes and pick up on phrasings I’ve missed before.. #realrevision
@gaepol: @SaundraMitchell @KateMessner r u beginning 2 c Y I just “watch” these chats instead of join? #forgethashtags #tweetmyself Oy #RealRevision
@KrisBisBooks: @KateMessner I love these quick definitions! Stealing 🙂 #RealRevision
@ixtumea: RT @SaundraMitchell: If I look at the big big picture first, I freak out. OMG IT IS TOO MUCH I CANNOT DOOOOO IT. @KateMessner #RealRevision
@KateMessner: @MelanieMeehan1 I write my first drafts like I’m being pursued by a speeding train. When I finish, I relax & start revising. #RealRevision
@LynneKelly: @ixtumea I use sticky notes mostly for plotting, but they can show where something’s missing in the storyline. #realrevision
@KateMessner: @Jess_Keating Have never tried switching fonts for a new revision pass, but that’s a great idea! Seeing in a new way… #RealRevision
@JoanneLevy: @Jess_Keating I recently heard about the change fonts trick – LOVE IT. So smart. #realrevision
@ixtumea: @LynneKelly I need to get the cards. I have a huge whiteboard upstairs in my writing loft filled with notes. #realrevision
@mardieteach: @KateMessner That was one big piece of the learning for me in reading your book. First draft =FAST! #RealRevision
@KrisBisBooks: @gaepol Go to TweetChat dot com. It puts the hashtag in for you! #RealRevision
@MelanieMeehan1: @katemessner How much can you writin a given day with a spring train behind you #realrevision
@yabookbridges: @KrisBisBooks @KateMessner I always tell my kids revision=improving; editing=correcting. #realrevision
@ixtumea: With my latest project I found that a name change helped tons. #realrevision
@KateMessner: RT @Gwenda I do that too. Once I have a draft can step back and see BIG changes. Fine-tuning generally comes last. #RealRevision
@Jess_Keating: @JoanneLevy It really makes a huge difference for me. I try to switch every time I do another go 🙂 #realrevision
@LynneKelly: @ixtumea Love whiteboards too. @writeoncon had great posts about revision yesterday. #realrevision
@marcieaf: #realrevisionI send it to my kindle and then see what parts don’t read like a real book.
@RebeccaLSutton: RT @KateMessner: Tonight at 9 EST – #RealRevisionchat for #TeachersWrite & anyone who wants to talk about revision strategies for writers!
@KateMessner: @mardieteach It doesn’t work for everyone. Some writers do a page or two a day & revise before writing the next part. #RealRevision
@Loriprima: @KateMessner printing my MS out lets me “see” things I miss on the screen. Also take 1-2 week break for a clear mind #RealRevision
@KrisBisBooks: @yabookbridges I love that distinction too! @KateMessner #RealRevision
@ixtumea: Also not to take every suggestion if it takes away from your overall vision of your story. #realrevision
@mimicross: What a great idea! RT @marcieaf “I send it to my kindle and then see what parts don’t read like a real book.” #RealRevision
@KateMessner: @MelanieMeehan1 Speeding trains are great incentive. If I’m drafting, I’ll usually do between 2000-5000 words/day. #RealRevision
@KrisBisBooks: @KateMessner @mardieteach Individual kids are going to have individual writing and revision ‘styles.’ #RealRevision
@mardieteach: @KateMessner Good to know. But I think I revise too much when I’m writing a first draft – stops me from writing. #RealRevision
@MojoFingers: #RealRevision @KateMessnerRevision = Re-imagining. What an apt description. Maybe this is the point I should be driving home w/ my students
@AStarowicz: #RealRevisionCreated a rolling revision cart that I take with us everywhere we go – library, computer lab, cafeteria, or another classroom
@MelanieMeehan1: When do you all share ms with other people #realrevision
@gaepol: RT @yabookbridges: @KrisBisBooks @KateMessner I always tell my kids revision=improving; editing=correcting. #realrevision
@KateMessner: @Jess_Keating Also amazing: How one tiny change in a manuscript requires many tentacles of changes in future chapters. #RealRevision
@LynneKelly: @KateMessner @MelanieMeehan1 1st book I revised as I wrote.Fast drafted new 1 but having trouble getting back to it to revise. #realrevision
@KateMessner: @AStarowicz Love this idea! What’s on your revision cart? #RealRevision
@mardieteach: @KrisBisBooks @KateMessner True. But, it can be freeing to know you don’t have to have it perfect on the first draft. #RealRevision
@yabookbridges: @AStarowicz Oooo. What’s in the cart? #realrevision
@KrisBisBooks: @mardieteach That was my biggest challenge this summer with my own #TeachersWrite -ing. #RealRevision
@christophonlyrx: I did an Outline and Character Bios & self notes with the brutal truth on the last draft. It hurt but it was #RealRevision
@mardieteach: RT @gaepol: RT @yabookbridges: @KrisBisBooks @KateMessner I always tell my kids revision=improving; editing=correcting. #RealRevision
@malindalo: @KateMessner I love revision! It’s my fave part of writing process. I use Scrivener now and it really helps me see big picture #RealRevision
@MelanieMeehan1: @katemessner Lol. I need a speeding train . 2000 has been my goal this summer and it is HARD! #realrevision
@Loriprima: @ixtumea so true. I have done that as well. #RealRevision
@marcieaf: @AStarowicz yes spill… What’s on the cart? #realrevision
@KateMessner: @MelanieMeehan1 I write 1st draft & make a list of “known issues” – then revise & share 2nd or 3rd draft w/ critique group. #RealRevision
@KrisBisBooks: RT @KateMessner: @AStarowicz Love this idea! Whats on your revision cart? <- Oooo I want to know, too! #RealRevision
@KateMessner: @malindalo Agree Scrivener=Magic for seeing big-picture issues. Here’s a link: http://t.co/QLo3RMW3 #RealRevision
@LynneKelly: @AStarowicz Ok, now I want a revision cart I take with me wherever I go. #realrevision
@MojoFingers: @KateMessner @Jess_Keating #RealRevisionRe-imagining & battling the tentacles of continuity monsters…this has been my summer w/ my MG MS
@yabookbridges: @mardieteach I let my kids do everything on 1 “draft”. Double space first time. Revision in 1 color; editing in another. #realrevision
@DaniYve: RT @marcieaf: #realrevisionI send it to my kindle and then see what parts don’t read like a real book.
@marcieaf: @malindalo I have found scrivener cork board feature helpful in reoutlining during revision-allows for color coding elements #realrevision
@KrisBisBooks: @KateMessner How do you establish “norms” for trust among a critique group? @MelanieMeehan1 #RealRevision
@malindalo: Last year I blogged about revising with Scrivener. Here’s the link: http://t.co/v0eCAc5r #RealRevision
@yaytime: . @KateMessner I hate revisions going in…but love them when I get to the other side. #RealRevision
@KateMessner: . @AStarowicz’s Revision cart has sticky notes,pencils,highlighters (many colors),colored pencils,index cards,revising phones #RealRevision
@MelanieMeehan1: @mojofingers @jess_keating @katemessner So ttrue! One change has such a domino effect! #realrevision
@malindalo: @marcieaf Definitely! I re-outline a few times throughout revising process. #realrevision
@KateMessner: RT @malindalo: Last year I blogged about revising with Scrivener. Heres the link: http://t.co/rDowT4Et #RealRevision
@weareattached: RT @malindalo: Last year I blogged about revising with Scrivener. Here’s the link: http://t.co/v0eCAc5r #RealRevision
@ScottMiddlemiss: @KateMessner How do you get elem students to “see” that their writing can and should be revised and reimagined? #realrevision
@gaepol: RT @malindalo: Last year I blogged about revising with Scrivener. Here’s the link: http://t.co/v0eCAc5r #RealRevision
@KrisBisBooks: RT @malindalo: Last year I blogged about revising with Scrivener. Heres the link: http://t.co/vujLjYIh #RealRevision
@mardieteach: @yabookbridges Interesting. Then students don’t feel like they’ve done as much ‘work’ – just one ‘draft.’ #RealRevision
@KateMessner: @KrisBisBooks Important to teach kids specific strategies to critique. Here are some tips: http://t.co/PTrUXy4d #RealRevision
@marcieaf: @KateMessner @astarowicz what is a revising phone? Must know 🙂 #realrevision
@gaepol: @KateMessner @AStarowicz revising phones?!?! #GetSmartish #RealRevision
@KateMessner: @ScottMiddlemiss Tell them before their 1st draft HOW they’ll be revising later – helps so much. And make the 1st one fast. #RealRevision
@MelanieMeehan1: @krisbisbooks @katemessner Our critique grup has been together for 3 years –it took at least a year b4 critiques were useful #realrevision
@christophonlyrx: The Art of Dramatic Writing really helped me http://t.co/AkHBeSir Along with ‘Making a Good Script Great’ #RealRevision
@KateMessner: Me too! I think I need one… RT @marcieaf: @astarowicz what is a revising phone? Must know 🙂 #RealRevision
@mardieteach: RT @KateMessner: Tell them before their 1st draft HOW theyll be revising later – helps so much. And make the 1st one fast. #RealRevision
@KrisBisBooks: RT @gaepol: @KateMessner @AStarowicz revising phones?!?! <- Do you mean Toobaloos? Or whisper phones? #RealRevision
@KateMessner: RT @yaytime: I hate revisions going in…but love them when I get to the other side. #RealRevision
@ixtumea: @KateMessner I had a problem understanding Scrivener. So much in that program. #Realrevision
@KateMessner: @yaytime Curious…what does the revision process look like with graphic novels vs. a regular text manuscript? #RealRevision
@thereadingzone: @KateMessner We were talking about “how book are born” and they had NO IDEA how much revision happens. It was great to share! #RealRevision
@yabookbridges: @mardieteach Yes. Also talk abt no need to fix little things like commas & spelling if not sure it will be in final. #realrevision
@ixtumea: RT @KateMessner: RT @yaytime: I hate revisions going in…but love them when I get to the other side. #RealRevision
@KateMessner: I am having trouble concentrating on the rest of the chat now because I need to know about @AStarowicz’s magic phones… #RealRevision
@RevisionFairy: Patience and pacing. Revision chat –> #RealRevision
@RSBrzoska: RT @christophonlyrx: The Art of Dramatic Writing really helped me http://t.co/AkHBeSir Along with ‘Making a Good Script Great’ #RealRevision
@ixtumea: @KateMessner Me too! It’s amazing to find the diamond in the rough at the end of journey. #RealRevision
@MojoFingers: @gaepol @KateMessner @AStarowicz #RealRevisionold phone handsets that kids use to read out loud to themselves. There’s a high-tech version
@ScottMiddlemiss: @KateMessner @krisbisbooks Love this! Gives structure to Accountable Talk + student partnerships we hope to implement in WW! #realrevision
@marcieaf: @AStarowicz @gaepol @KateMessner OH yes, I’ve seen primary teachers use this in reading. Will have to try for writing. #realrevision
@KateMessner: @RevisionFairy Wow! If I had know you existed, I’d have summoned you a long time ago, Revision Fairy. 🙂 #RealRevision
@yabookbridges: @MojoFingers @gaepol @KateMessner @AStarowicz Cool. Never thought about that even tho I encourage them 2 read pieces aloud. #realrevision
@LynneKelly: @MojoFingers Oh, cool! I used to have a couple of “phones” made w/PVC pipe for kids who needed to hear their writing out loud. #realrevision
@debralynnlazar: I’ll also revise a few chapters, then read through them again before moving on. #RealRevision
@TracyShawn: #RealRevision=Patience, time, determination–and a boatload of coffee.
@MelanieMeehan1: @katemessner do you know what’s going to happen in your stories when you start or is the surprise part of revision process? #realrevision
@KateMessner: Reading a piece aloud has always been the first thing on my revision checklist – as writer and as teacher. #RealRevision
@yaytime: @KateMessner Revisions are rough with graphic novels, especially if writing & drawing at the same time (as many of us do). #RealRevision
@bhwilkoff: RT @KateMessner: RT @yaytime: I hate revisions going in…but love them when I get to the other side. #RealRevision
@helainebecker: RT @KateMessner: RT @yaytime: I hate revisions going in…but love them when I get to the other side. #RealRevision
@KateMessner: @MelanieMeehan1 I start w/ an outline, but it changes & grows as I write. 1st draft = “Discovery” draft. #RealRevision
@ScottMiddlemiss: @MojoFingers @gaepol @katemessner @astarowicz Can make own whisper phones for cheap using PVC pipe! http://t.co/oQpyxEiW. #realrevision
@MelanieMeehan1: RT @KateMessner: Reading a piece aloud has always been the first thing on my revision checklist – as writer and as teacher. #RealRevision
@codejill: RT @KateMessner: Reading a piece aloud has always been the first thing on my revision checklist – as writer and as teacher. #RealRevision
@gaepol: @KateMessner I am constantly reading aloud. I find it helpful to have to read aloud to someone. #paythekids #RealRevision
@MelanieMeehan1: @katemessner do you talk about it with anyone? #realrevision
@KateMessner: @yaytime @JenniHolm & Matt shared some of their marked up BABYMOUSE drafts for Real Revision – loved seeing how it changed. #RealRevision
@helainebecker: RT @KateMessner: RT @malindalo: Last year I blogged about revising with Scrivener. Heres the link: http://t.co/rDowT4Et #RealRevision
@KateMessner: @MelanieMeehan1 Yes. My biggest revision issues get talked over w/ my friend Linda once a month over good coffee. #RealRevision
@AStarowicz: @gaepol @KateMessner I like to have someone read my writing to me for expression and fluency (students loving doing this) #RealRevision
@ixtumea: RT @KateMessner: Reading a piece aloud has always been the first thing on my revision checklist – as writer and as teacher. #RealRevision
@KateMessner: Reading aloud is the best way to learn if you wrote what you meant to write. Also lets you know if it’s all stumbly & awkward. #RealRevision
@RevisionFairy: @KateMessner Ha! Nice to hear, Kate! At your service. 🙂 #RealRevision
@ixtumea: @KateMessner I’ve also taped myself reading a scene/passage. That helps me. #realrevision
@CharmaynePolen: @KateMessner Agreed-reading aloud is best. Amazing what kids find in their writing when they do!#RealRevision
@ScottMiddlemiss: @KateMessner Like the read-aloud strategy. Whisper phone is good for start; trusted peer partner as listener even better??? #realrevision
@marcieaf: @KrisBisBooks Thx for link! I’m buying some of these and they can be thrown in dishwasher=brilliant! #realrevision
@KateMessner: Huge paper makes me happy about revising (timelines, maps, charts, etc) Interesting supplies can help student motivation, too. #RealRevision
@aruddteacher100: RT @gaepol: @KateMessner I am constantly reading aloud. I find it helpful to have to read aloud to someone. #paythekids #RealRevision
@MelanieMeehan1: @katemessner authentic vs not authentic with my critical friend has been REALLY helpful for me as I’ve been drafting. #realrevision
@KrisBisBooks: @KateMessner Like the cool stuff on @astarowitcz revision cart and revision phones! 😉 #RealRevision
@aruddteacher100: #RealRevisionwhen writing with students do you have them skip lines write on one side only? They can cut apart and rearrange
@MelanieMeehan1: @charmaynepolen @katemessner In our writing group, we sometimes read each others work. See how others interpret your work…#realrevision
@KrisBisBooks: @marcieaf I have a bunch of these in my classroom for reading instruction, and the kids <3 to use them! #RealRevision
@KateMessner: I always have to rewrite 1st pages to get the right beginning. Kids can try “two new 1st paragraphs” to experiment w/ leads. #RealRevision
@marcieaf: @aruddteacher100 Write on one side. Skip lines. Make notes with different color ink or colored pencils. #realrevision
@goraina: @KateMessner Revising a graphic novel script, written in thumbnails, requires a LOT of erasing. #RealRevision
@stefwass: RT @KateMessner: Reading a piece aloud has always been the first thing on my revision checklist – as writer and as teacher. #RealRevision
@KrisBisBooks: @KateMessner Like the cool stuff on @astarowicz revision cart and revision phones! 😉 <- Sorry spelled Andy’s name wrong. #RealRevision
@KateMessner: @aruddteacher100 Skipping lines or otherwise “leaving room for revision” is a great idea in drafts. #RealRevision
@Amy_LovesYA: RT: @MelanieMeehan1 I write my 1st drafts like I’m being pursued by a speeding train. When I finish I relax & start revising. #RealRevision
@KateMessner: RT @goraina: @KateMessner Revising a graphic novel script, written in thumbnails, requires a LOT of erasing. #RealRevision
@AStarowicz: #RealRevisionMost difficult thing about classroom revision-half of class on 1st draft and half of the class on revising-tough 2 keep flow!
@ixtumea: @KateMessner How many times do you rewrite your 1st pages? #RealRevision
@Jess_Keating: @KateMessner I always find that my ‘real’ beginning actually starts a few pages after I *think* it does! 😉 #realrevisionChop, chop!
@yabookbridges: @KateMessner Peer response feature w turnitin is good for HS. Anonymous & teacher sets Likert-type ?s to narrow focus. #realrevision
@KateMessner: Umm… our revision chat is trending right now. I might be swooning a little bit. #RevisionManiac #RealRevision
@writesinLA: RT @KateMessner: RT @malindalo: Last year I blogged about revising with Scrivener. Heres the link: http://t.co/rDowT4Et #RealRevision
@AStarowicz: @KateMessner I love the kids reaction when they like the second one better – hooked them to new strategy:) #RealRevision
@mardieteach: @aruddteacher100 My problem with students writing on looseleaf is they lose the leaves! We use notebooks. Double-space. #RealRevision
@marcieaf: @MelanieMeehan1 I have kids also read aloud each other’s work. Partner reads what’s really there. Kids hear mistakes better. #realrevision
@KateMessner: @ixtumea Depends on the book – but usually it takes me at least 3-4 times to get the beginning right. #RealRevision
@KateMessner: My online critique group offers feedback using MS Word comments. This is a great strategy for students, too! #RealRevision
@Amy_LovesYA: RT @KateMessner: Umm… our revision chat is trending right now. I might be swooning a little bit. #RevisionManiac #RealRevision
@Jess_Keating: Aww, #realrevision is trending! The icing on the cake of a great series, @KateMessner!🙂
@mardieteach: @KrisBisBooks What a great little tool! Thanks for posting the link. #RealRevision
@Lisa_Donohue: LOVE!!! RT”@KateMessner: Umm… our revision chat is trending right now. I might be swooning a little bit. #RevisionManiac #RealRevision”
@MelanieMeehan1: @marcieaf They can also hear whether their voice is coming through the way they meant it to. #realrevision
@AbbyRobles13: @colbysharp Revision stresses out 2nd graders who hand write stories. They understand the changes but not the effort to do it. #RealRevision
@KateMessner: Often, I find that free-writing away from my manuscript really helps me see big-picture revision issues. #RealRevision
@aruddteacher100: @mardieteach #RealRevisionthanks For idea I was going to use composition books 50 cents each at target right now
@AbbyRobles13: RT @KateMessner: Reading a piece aloud has always been the first thing on my revision checklist – as writer and as teacher. #RealRevision
@SheskeyS: Students peer conf and give each other “Stars and Wishes” What did they like? What did they wish the author would do. #realrevision
@MelanieMeehan1: @katemessner Do they read drafts ahead of time then? #realrevision
@gaepol: @KateMessner I’ve learned (sort of) that the start of a new revision feels hopeless. I panic, I suck. Then I hit a stride. #RealRevision
@marcieaf: @SheskeyS Yes! Love this. I also have kids ask questions of the writer. What do you want to know more about? #realrevision
@lorilovesbooks: Writing 4 me is like playing with playdough; pinch, pull, move, and add words until I can say,”Yep, that’s what I was after.” #RealRevision
@MattPhelanDraws: @goraina @katemessner @yaytime I write a script before thumbnails to make the revision process easier. #RealRevision
@KateMessner: Writing off-draft can help students w/ revision, too. Here are some writing prompts to get them thinking: http://t.co/m5eU3NPI #RealRevision
@aruddteacher100: RT @KateMessner: Often, I find that free-writing away from my manuscript really helps me see big-picture revision issues. #RealRevision
@yabookbridges: @mardieteach My trouble is the notebooks disappear too! #realrevision
@yaytime: @KateMessner I revise pages up till they go to printer. But luckily we have photoshop so I never have to touch white out again #RealRevision
@KateMessner: RT @MattPhelanDraws: @goraina @katemessner @yaytime I write a script before thumbnails to make the revision process easier. #RealRevision
@ScottMiddlemiss: @KateMessner I have done this. So great to see the different types of leads they come up with. #realrevision
@AStarowicz: @KateMessner #RealRevisionI use #39 in language arts AND social studies (important people)
@KrisBisBooks: @marcieaf @SheskeyS Did you see the revision hats on pgs. 194-197 from Karen Day? Great idea, too. #RealRevision
@JenniferCEstes: Am jumping back and forth between @WriteOnCon live chat and #RealRevision. My head is about to explode.
@KateMessner: Many thanks to the graphic novelists chiming in! So interesting – thanks, @MattPhelanDraws: @goraina @yaytime #RealRevision
@marcieaf: @KateMessner Writing off draft=huge help! Helps me know I don’t have to “mess up” my mss. #realrevision
@ScottMiddlemiss: @KateMessner When they figure out they don’t have to give away whole story in first three sentences, see lightbulb go off! #realrevision
@crissachappell: @KateMessner Yes to reading out loud! Also: creating an outline after the rough draft is done. #RealRevision
@Amy_LovesYA: @KateMessner Love MS Word comments or Google Docs. I use in the classroom and for sharing my own writing! #realrevision
@yabookbridges: Using playdough to teach writing. Great when talking about revision. #realrevision http://t.co/Fb1j6c0p
@KateMessner: For those who haven’t seen my REAL REVISION, you can preview on the @stenhousepub website: http://t.co/LkMaE4J8 #RealRevision
@JamesBrycenet: RT @KateMessner: Often, I find that free-writing away from my manuscript really helps me see big-picture revision issues. #RealRevision
@yaytime: @MattPhelanDraws @goraina @katemessner I can only write without doodles half the time. I’m trying to get better at it. #RealRevision
@marcieaf: @KrisBisBooks Yes, I do a version of this. Love! #realrevision
@KateMessner: RT @Amy_LovesYA: @KateMessner Love MS Word comments or Google Docs. I use in the classroom and for sharing my own writing! #RealRevision
@yaytime: @MattPhelanDraws @goraina @katemessner With a lot of cartoonists, the visuals and words of comics are completely intertwined. #RealRevision
@mardieteach: Thank you @KateMessner for the book, the great advice, and this chat. Awesome! #RealRevision
@KateMessner: RT @crissachappell: @KateMessner Yes to reading out loud! Also: creating an outline after the rough draft is done. #RealRevision
@ScottMiddlemiss: @KateMessner @aruddteacher100 Before they start, should x every other line to help remember to skip lines. Tend to forget! #realrevision
@aruddteacher100: RT @mardieteach: Thank you @KateMessner for the book, the great advice, and this chat. Awesome! #RealRevision
@gaepol: btw, my favorite way to check pacing/flow: a 1st line/last line of each chapter outline. #RealRevision
@KateMessner: RT @yaytime: @MattPhelanDraws @goraina With a lot of cartoonists, visuals & words of comics are completely intertwined. #RealRevision
@KateMessner: I’m so stealing this. =>RT @gaepol: btw, my favorite way to check pacing/flow: a 1st line/last line of each chapter outline. #RealRevision
@MojoFingers: #realrevisionThank you, Kate for hosting this awesome-tastic discussion!
@mardieteach: RT @gaepol: btw, my favorite way to check pacing/flow: a 1st line/last line of each chapter outline. #RealRevision
@MelanieMeehan1: @KateMessner my daughters and I used these and loved them! Who knew that the characters bedroom colors would be so helpful! #realrevision
@marcieaf: @KateMessner REAL REVISION is a must-buy if you don’t have it. Mine is marked up with sticky notes (should I buy 3M stock?) #realrevision
@aruddteacher100: #RealRevision yes thanks again Kate for all the teaching you’ve shared along with all of the authors @KateMessner
@KateMessner: Our hour is winding down – thanks SO much to everyone who came out to talk revision tonight! #TeachersWrite #RealRevision
@judyjester: RT @KateMessner: Reading a piece aloud has always been the first thing on my revision checklist – as writer and as teacher. #RealRevision
@marcieaf: @gaepol I think I read about this on Barbara O”Connor’s blog. Great way to see if chp ending propels you to next chp. #realrevision
@KrisBisBooks: Yes! Amazing all around. RT @mardieteach: Thank you @KateMessner for the book, the great advice, and this chat. Awesome! #RealRevision
@marcieaf: @KateMessner Thank you!!! Teachers Write has been inspirational! #realrevision
@AngieEverReady: #RealRevision= Talking to yourself (and then answering back).
@MelanieMeehan1: @KateMessner thank you so much for hosting! Good night. #realrevision
@KateMessner: I should probably figure out how to archive this chat, huh? #RealRevision
@mardieteach: MT @marcieaf: @KateMessner REAL REVISION is a must-buy if you dont have it. Mine is marked up with sticky notes #RealRevision
@aruddteacher100: #RealRevision @KateMessnerwill chat be archived anywhere to revisit links etc?
@Amy_LovesYA: .@KateMessner Thank u for taking time for all of us who write, want to write, & teach others to write! You inspire & motivate! #RealRevision
@KateMessner: @aruddteacher100 Umm…I think that is a very good idea. Have never archived a chat before, though – #ResearchTime #RealRevision
@gaepol: How can an hour go so fast?! #RealRevision Thanks @KateMessneryou rock endlessly <3
@aruddteacher100: @KateMessner #realrevision#TeachersWrite other chats I’ve done archived on wikis
@middletonba: RT @KateMessner: RT @malindalo: Last year I blogged about revising with Scrivener. Heres the link: http://t.co/rDowT4Et #RealRevision

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